James Carden Collins

James Carden Collins

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  • Name James Carden Collins  [1, 2
    Born 15 Feb 1829  At sea, off Trinidad, West Indies Find all individuals with events at this location  [1, 2
    Gender Male 
    Fact 1 1871  [2
    Fact 1 
    • M Cert 68.71
    Fact 2 5 Jun 1916  [2
    Fact 2 
    • D Cert 16/002692
    Died 5 Jun 1916  Erewhon, Yeppoon, Queensland, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location  [1, 2, 3
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    Person ID I31801  The Williams Family Tree
    Last Modified 2 May 2018 

    Father Captain Thomas Collins
              b. 18 Oct 1790, Road, Somerset, England Find all individuals with events at this location
              d. 6 Aug 1866, Nindooinbah, Albert River, Queensland Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 75 years) 
    Mother Sophia Pamela Danvers
              b. 16 Oct 1808, Richmond upon Thames, Surrey, England Find all individuals with events at this location
              d. 1863, Telemon, Queensland, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 54 years) 
    Married 9 Aug 1826  St. Mary Magdalen, Richmond, Surrey, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [1, 2
    Family ID F9246  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 1 Mary Helena Glennie
              b. 1833
              d. 6 Dec 1870, Bundaberg, Queensland, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 37 years) 
    Married 13 Aug 1852  Unumgar, New South Wales, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location  [2
    • Unumgar Station, Richmond River
     1. Alfred Carden Collins
              b. 13 Jun 1853
              d. 17 Jun 1871, Bundaberg, Queensland, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 18 years)
     2. Frederick Glennie Collins
              b. 24 Mar 1854
              d. 18 Mar 1923  (Age 68 years)
     3. Mary Danvers Collins
              b. 2 May 1856, Maroon Station, Queensland, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location
              d. Abt 1 Oct 1930, Gayndah, Queensland, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 74 years)
     4. Jessie Emma Collins
              b. 7 Mar 1858
              d. 8 Aug 1923  (Age 65 years)
     5. Charles Lester Collins
              b. 7 Dec 1859
              d. 9 Mar 1863  (Age 3 years)
     6. Arthur Percy Collins
              b. 26 May 1861
              d. 14 Aug 1862  (Age 1 years)
     7. Francis George Collins
              b. 6 May 1863
              d. Yes, date unknown
     8. Alice Emily Mabel Collins
              b. 10 Dec 1864, Ipswich, Queensland, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location
              d. 1934  (Age 69 years)
    Last Modified 3 Feb 2017 
    Family ID F9241  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 2 Jane Susannah Cox Pugh
              b. 6 Feb 1840, Hamilton, Hamilton, Bermuda Find all individuals with events at this location
              d. 5 Aug 1918, General Hospital, Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 78 years) 
    Married 1 Apr 1871  District Registrar Office, Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location  [3, 4
     1. Florence Montgomery Collins
              b. 2 Apr 1871, Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location
              d. 1 Dec 1871, South Brisbane, Queensland, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 0 years)
     2. Arthur John Carden Collins
              b. 26 Mar 1873, Stanage Cattle Ranch, Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location
              d. 15 Feb 1956, Bowen, Queensland, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 82 years)
     3. Helen Margaret Cox Collins
              b. 27 Dec 1874
              d. 28 Jul 1901, Yeppoon, Queensland, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 26 years)
     4. Carden Noad Collins
              b. 12 Aug 1876
              d. Yes, date unknown
     5. Conrad Carden Collins
              b. 4 Mar 1878, Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location
              d. 10 Jul 1966, Rotorua, Bay of Plenty, New Zealand Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 88 years)
     6. Humphrey Danvers Carden Collins
              b. 23 Jan 1880
              d. Yes, date unknown
    Last Modified 3 Feb 2017 
    Family ID F9240  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Event Map
    Link to Google MapsMarried - 13 Aug 1852 - Unumgar, New South Wales, Australia Link to Google Earth
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  • Photos
    Collins Family at Langham
    Collins Family at Langham
    James Carden Collins is seated.
    Courtesy of Mike Harris
    Collins Family at Langham
    Collins Family at Langham
    Dave Collins: "Now this, taken the same day, I think, is interesting.  Jack is missing, so he took this photo.  And we have an extra, unknown, girl – presumably she took the other photo.  Perhaps Ada, 19, daughter of Susan’s first marriage, but looks too young, I think. I have no ideas about the name of the dog in each photo."
    Langham Homestead
    Langham Homestead
    This seems to be the Langham homestead in 1885 while James Carden Collins and family were there.  Note the house is on high ground!
    Stanage Bay Homestead
    Stanage Bay Homestead
    The stone walled house some years after James Carden Collins would have lived there.

  • Notes 
    • Marriage certificate for him and Susannah Cox Lister names witnesses as
      Jane Pugh [possibly her sister] and Charles E. Mather.

      Yes, the information on Susan (Pugh, Lister, Collins) is very thought provoking. My records from the Marriage Certificate indicate that her father was Theophilus Pugh, a clergyman and I think it was her brother who was P.J. Pugh, the magistrate and journalist. Some details on the Marriage Certificate were altered on 11th & 12th Sept. 1872, approx 15months after the marriage and I feel sure Carden was aware of the facts!.......guess it is all what we want to believe! Our interpretation of the marginal entry on the Marriage Certificate reads, "This marginal entry is cancelled by order of the Registrar General, a mistake having occurred in the substance of it. Thos.P.Haslam Dist. Reg. 11/9/72". That statement referred to "James Collins and Susan Pugh should read James Carden Collins and Susan Lister". Also "widow should read Divorcee". Very interesting!

      Telemon and Maroon 110 years ago
      A glimpse of the Past
      Supplement to Beaudesert Times, Friday 17 April 1959

      [Transcribed by Angela Collyer, Boonah, December 2006]

      In this, the Queensland Centenary Year, historical records of particular interest, and today is presented extracts from memoirs of Carden Collins written in 1914.

      This comes to us through the good offices of Mr Bernard O'Reilly, who writes: 'An Easter guest at Lost World was Mr Ellis Smith, of Caboolture. Mr Ellis Smith is a great great grandson of Capt Thomas Collins, whose name is associated with the very early history of this district. By courtesy of Mr Ellis Smith I am forwarding a press reprint of the memoires of Carden Collins, son of Capt Thos Collins and great grandfather of Mr Ellis Smith. The memoirs were recorded in 1914, when Carden Collins was in his 85th year.'

      Sitting on his verandah, though then 85 years of age, Mr Collins memory was of the sharpest and he Tooke me took me from that day of January 16th 1829, when he was born on the brig Elizabeth off the isle of Trinidad, to these pleasant declining days of his on the shores of Keppel Bay, without a halt.

      Carden Collins was a son of Captain Thos. Collins, who came of a very old family in Somerset. Captain Collins served as an officer in the Indian Navy. He did not consider he was making money fast enough, and, being of an adventurous spirit, resolved to engage in the whaling industry. With this object in view he purchased the old sailor Elizabeth and carried on his perilous occupation in the Southern Ocean for many years. Mr Collins stated that his father described whaling as the finest of sport. Mrs Collins frequently accompanied her husband in the Elizabeth and it was on the 16th of January 1829, whilst passing the Island of Trinidad, West Indies, that Mr Collins was born.

      Captain Collins mapped out a career for his son in the British navy, but heavy financial losses through injudicious speculations of his savings by a friend, compelled an abandonment of that idea. Captain Collins then resolved to seek fortune in Australia. Carden Collins was only a little chap when his father landed in Sydney in 1829. Shortly afterwards he returned to England in his father's shop Elizabeth via the Cape Horn for the purpose of receiving an education. He returned again to Australia when he was but thirteen years of age in the ship Angelena. The voyage was not
      without incident, for the Angelena was dismasted in a storm off the Cape of Good Hope, and had to put into Capetown for repairs.

      'My father,' continued Mr Collins, 'on settling in Australia received a grant of 640 acres at Bathurst, NSW from the Government. This was the first land he owned in Australia. He afterwards took up a farm at Maitland, and when I arrived back from England, he had migrated to Queensland and settled on some country in the Darling Down, through which the McIntyre Brook ran. This he named Cooloomunda or as the blacks called it, Kabbathemani. After I arrived in Sydney I was met by Mr William Weeks, an uncle, the son of a celebrated doctor in Kent, and we two set out overland for Cooloomunda. For the whole distance of 400 miles the natives proved very troublesome and we had literally to fight our way to our destination.

      After spending several years on the Darling Downs my father sold his property and purchased Telemon on the Logan River, from some people in Sydney named Campbell. That was in
      the 40's, not long after I had come out.

      We grew our own wheat at Cooloomunda and made our own flour. The blacks used to grind the wheat for us with a little steel hand mill and for their labours we rewarded them with the bran.

      When we sold Cooloomunda, we shifted the whole of our cattle, numbering 3,000 or 4,000 to our new place Telemon. This took us two or three months. We bred all Shorthorns in those days and some of them were pretty wild scrub devils. It was all open country then, and no fencing was used at all. Of course, no railways then existed and all travelling was done by road. I remember the first steam engine that was landed in Sydney from Europe. It was something after the class of a traction engine and all Sydney turned out to see it. It was a failure.

      In addition to cattle my father tried sheep raising on Telemon but they were not a success and after persevering with them for a time we had to replace them with cattle. The chief failure with the sheep was they ran to belly and did not otherwise do any good.

      About three miles below Beaudesert Captain ('Bobby') Towns had a cotton plantation. It was on the banks of the Logan, and sometimes after getting the ground ploughed and planted then a big flood came down and swept all the ploughed ground away. This was the only venture in cotton growing on the Logan in my time. Later on cotton was grown about Ipswich.

      Just before we went to Telemon, John Collins, who was not in any way related to us, took up Mundoolun on the Albert River. He was a fine old chap. The late RM, William and George Collins were three sons of a good father. While my father was on Telemon I founded Tamborine Station on the Albert River near Mundoolun, which I sold after holding it for a couple of years to Charlie Graham. The latter however, made a mess of it and died in Rockhampton a short time after leaving the property. A Mr Williams afterwards purchased Tamborine from Mr Tooth, but he too only held it for a short while.

      Mr Duckett White took up Beau Desert in the early 60's. Gold blue Beau Desert! It was a fine place. Mr W Barker, of Tamrookum, whose place was only two miles from Telemon, was another neighbour of mine.

      I then formed Maroon, or as the blacked called it, Marrom. It made a very nice place of it and constructed a house, stockyards and paddocks. I tried sheep breeding again, in conjunction with cattle, but they did not do well here either. I therefore sold them and turned the money into cattle.

      Racing was my hobby and blackfellows used to come miles to see me riding. I was always an amateur and was better known as a hurdle rider and had a beautiful stable of racehorses at Maroon. At one period I had five in training at the one time. I did a little of both flat and steeplechase racing. Toby, an old cob I had, made a lot of money for me. I well remember when I was racing Toby, who could jump anything, listening to some racy fellows who had come over from Sydney to Ipswich blowing in a shanty about their horses. I knew Toby could take anything so I chipped in 'I do not mind having a go at you for ?50.' They took me up. It was general racing time in the district and the Governor Sir George Bowen and suite was there. They all witnessed the match which was over two miles. I engaged my brother Bob to ride Toby. Toby baulked at the first hurdle and threw Bob over his head. Nothing daunted, Bob remounted, notwithstanding that he appeared
      hopelessly out of the race. However he cleared the remainder of the hurdles beautifully. At the last hurdle the visitor's horse came down, while Toby came on and won easily.

      Huntsman was another good racer that I had. He was good for long distances, especially three miles. I once rode a horse belonging to the late John Tait, the well known racing man of Sydney, in a Corinthian race and won. Some time afterwards I received a saddle worth ?5 from him. This was the only present I ever got from the owners of my winning mounts, so I thought a good deal of it.

      Hughie Campbell, the well known Ipswich blacksmith of those days, used to shoe my racehorses.
      Mr Thomas Murray-Prior, who was the first Postmaster-General in Queensland, bought Maroon from me and effected additional improvements. He was twice married, his first wife being a NSW lady named Miss Harper, and a very fine girl she was, while his second wife was named Miss Baron.

      Cattle did not then bring the prices obtained nowdays. Most of the cattle were sent to the boiling downs at Ipswich and we were lucky if we got ?2 per head for bullocks after moving them 200 miles.

      When I left Maroon, I was hard up for country so I cam northwards to Baffle Creek by following the coast line. I bought some country here right in the midst of the properties of Mr F. Blackman, Warroo, Mr Harvey Hold of Kolonga and Robertson Brothers.

      My father died at Nindooinbah Mrs Compigne?s property, while my mother predeceased him by several years. Her death took place at Telemon.

      Mrs A. Henderson, one of my sisters, although 82 years of age, is now living with her only son at Jimboomba in the Logan District, which Mr Henderson selected in the 50's. Mrs Compgine, another sister of mine, died about 2 years ago. My youngest sister, Mrs Nott, resides at Greycliff at cattle run on the Dawson. Mr Collins said that his race was a long lived one.

      Yes, I remember and knew most of the old Brisbaneites of 50 years ago and can well recollect Leichhardt the explorer. He was a tall thin man and was really not a good bushman. He was lost without a compass. I and another friend had dinner with him the night before he started on his last trip.

      My bother Bob, with a friend named Horace Walpole, took up land on the Flinders Many years ago and named the place Telemon, after the old home on the Logan. They sold out to a man named Stuart and shortly after bob went to California cheris de feminiini, where he settled and lived until his death occurred about 2 years ago. He was ruined by the earthquake smash, lost all his worldly possessions and had to start again.

      A granddaughter of Mr Carden Collins adds this interesting memoir:

      My grandfather's (Carden Collins) father, Capt Thos Collins, married in 1826 Sophia Pamela Warners Somerset, who was a descendant of Sir John Warners, who signed the Magna Charter.
      Carden Collins was twice married. He was married at Murgon, Richmond River, NSW to Mary Helena Glennie, 1852. Her father was an uncle of Rev Archdeacon Glennie. Her mother, Susan White, came out with her brother-in-law Captain Ogilvie and sister Mrs Ogilvie, in the former's own ship. Captain and Mrs Ogilvie were cousins and also cousins of Sir Arthur Kennedy, Governor of
      Queensland and also descendants of the Earls of Airlie, Scotland. Mrs Ogilvie had two daughters, one later married William Bundock, of Wyangrie station, NSW.

      My grandfather's first wife died at Thornhill station, Gladstone, in 1870. His second wife was an English widow Mrs Lister and sister of Mr JP Pugh the well known Police Magistrate and who established that great record of Queensland history, Pugh's Almanac. [2]

  • Sources 
    1. [S309] Meriel and Ian Haynes, (Much of the Barmouth connection, and a lot more, are courtesy of Meriel and Ian Haynes. Thank you), Meriel & Ian Haynes (Reliability: 3).
      Meriel & Ian Haynes have pased on a wealth of information about the Collins and associated families.

    2. [S3155] Dave Collins.

    3. [S3230] Susannah Cox Timeline, Dave Collins, Papakura, New Zealand (Reliability: 3).

    4. [S3155] Dave Collins (Reliability: 3).